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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Oct 14, 2007 9:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: why jerry hated the doors

that's interesting too, that Pigpen story.
I imagine he didn't loan out his keyboards too often.

Manzarek was assuming a lot there, by asking to use the band's keyboards, I guess.
Manzarek was a serious musician, not a drunken poet in leather pants... didn't Jerry and Pigpen see that to some degree?
Later on that.


Jerry's comments on Morrison and The Doors offer a glimpse into Jerry's mindset.

He rarely (that I know of) said anything on the record that was negative about other artists.

It's possible Morrison was interpreting the quirky moves of Sky Saxon.
Morrison saw the The Seeds perform several times in '66, watching them from near the front of the stage.

The Seeds never played The Fillmore or any of the similar SF venues in '66-'67.
They were a teen top 40 band, I can't imagine the Dead would have liked them at all.
Or any of the other such bands - especially from LA.

While Graham booked some of those bands in '66-'68, he probably didn't like 'em either.

There's a lot that I could write about this subject but I don't know if it that'd be such a good idea.

Someone in a thread earlier today said they hated the '60s because their mother made too much about that decade.


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Poster: jerkwaterdan Date: Oct 14, 2007 10:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: why jerry hated the doors

cream puff war wrote:"While Graham booked some of those bands in '66-'68, he probably didn't like 'em either."

Did you hear the story Bill Graham used to relate about the time he cautioned Morrison about twirling his microphone around only to be cracked in the head by it when Morrison got a little carried away? I imagine Bill Graham must have just exploded, just freaked out when that happened to him! Probably no love lost there! I seem to remember them including that scene in the bio-pic movie "The Doors" with Bill Graham doing a cameo appearance as "the promoter" and getting cracked by that microphone!

This post was modified by jerkwaterdan on 2007-10-15 05:03:58

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Poster: Pithecanthropus Date: Mar 20, 2012 8:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: why jerry hated the doors

@cream-puff-war: "Manzarek was assuming a lot there, by asking to use the band's keyboards, I guess."

I can't see it as being *that* out of line, especially since the Dead refused to allow any of their equipment to be moved (except for the guitars)." An organ's an organ; there's not really anything that can happen to an organ if you let someone else play it. I'm sure that, as Ray tried to explain, it did look a bit ridiculous that the Doors had to squeeze their own equipment up there, including the identical keyboards, not to mention Densmore having to play the set at stage level rather than on the riser. It's the Doors who should have been pissed off if anyone.


@cream-puff-war: "Manzarek was a serious musician, not a drunken poet in leather pants... didn't Jerry and Pigpen see that to some degree?"
Later on that. "

Besides the L.A. thing, I think it was the image generally. At this point the Doors had a good deal of counterculture/street cred, despite which Morrison's looks nevertheless brought in a lot of teenybopper girls; you can hear the shrillness in some of their audiences. The next most prominent member, Manzarek, favored mod suits or pants-and-jacket combos although omitting the tie. Serious rock artists were supposed to dress like peasants and glower moodily at the camera when the album cover was shot. The Doors got the glowering part right but otherwise their image was wrong for 1967.

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: May 18, 2012 12:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: why jerry hated the doors

Yes yeah, The Doors didn't look like other rock bands in 1967.

And they were threatening to re-imagine rock n roll in songs such as "The End"

The day I was supposed to run away in '67 to the Haight-Ashbury, I heard "Light My Fire" for the first time on the car radio, was hooked on The Doors instead of The Dead, I had my Mom to drive me to the Westlake Mall record shop to score the new Doors 45 instead.